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[kbdjockey]

Bonjour,

Avez vous lu les brevets 6254096 et 7644923 concernant les CSM ?
lien: http://www.google.com/patents?id=Qi4HAAAAEBAJ
lien: http://www.google.com/patents?id=xF7LAAAAEBAJ

EDIT:

Un autre brevêt sans ambiguité:
Card shuffler with card rank and value reading capability using CMOS sensor
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=b4qbAAAAEBAJ

Figure 11 - http://www.google.com/patents?id=b4qbAA ... e&q&f=true
For the present shuffler application, an 8 bit digital CMOS 640x480 black and white array was selected,
as greater detail is not needed to accurately identify rank and suit.

La liste des brevets de ShuffleMaster, Inc ici:
http://www.google.com/patents?tbs=bks%3 ... &scoring=1

[Pierrot]

Bonjour,

Deux solutions :
- soit tu es tombé sur des brevets de "simple mélangeurs de cartes", tout à fait légaux et sans aucun risque pour le joueur.
- soit tu es tombé sur des brevets de CSM mais le lecteur optique n'est pas une invention de LEUR société. En quelques sorte : ça existait déjà avant.
- ils peuvent aussi, bien que se basant sur un lecteur optique, "jouer sur les mots" et le nommer autrement (lentille de reconnaissance, vérificateur de paquet complet....)

EDIT : je n'avais pas vu les images, cela ressemble bien à un CSM.

La présence d'une reconnaissance de carte est une information qui vient directement de la société "shuffle master" :
http://www.thecitizensjournal.com/article/201001241/
et la "traduction" à la fin de ce post non-aux-melangeurs-automatiques-aux-tables-blackjack-csm-triche-f35/csm-arnaque-t496-10.html#p5979

Alors oui, le terme "optique" n'est pas mentionné....mais...."reconnaissance" si.

Par contre, très belle découverte ces documents. Un grand bravo !

[kbdjockey]

En fait, il semble y avoir énormement de brevets...

Voici une liste non-exhaustive:
793489 LEWIS CALEB WILLIAMS Jun 1905
1014219 CAED SHDFFLEE Jan 1912
2001220 CARD DEALING DEVICE May 1935
2001918 CARD TABLE TOP May 1935
2016030 CARD SHUFFLING AND DEALING DEVICE Oct 1935
2043343 CARD GAME APPARATUS Jun 1936
2065824 CARD DEALING MACHINE Dec 1936
2778644 STEPHENSON Jan 1957
2937739 CONVEYOR SYSTEM May 1960
2950005 MAODONALD Aug 1960
3147978 SJOSTRAND Sep 1964
3235741 FIG. I S. PLAISANCE SWITCH Feb 1966
3312473 CARD SELECTING AND DEALING MACHINE Apr 1967
3690670 CARD SORTING DEVICE Sep 1972
3716238 METHOD OF PREARRANGING PLAYING CARDS FOR EDUCATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES Feb 1973
3897954 AUTOMATIC CARD DISTRIBUTOR Aug 1975
3944230 Card shuffler Mar 16, 1976
4159581 Device for instruction in the game of bridge and method of and device for dealing predetermined bridge hands Jul 3, 1979
4232861 Sorting method and machine Nov 11, 1980
4361393 Very high speed duplicator with finishing function Nov 30, 1982
4368972 Very high speed duplicator with finishing function Jan 18, 1983
4385827 High speed duplicator with finishing function May 31, 1983
4397469 Method of reducing predictability in card games Aug 9, 1983
4497488 Computerized card shuffling machine Feb 5, 1985
4513969 Automatic card shuffler Apr 30, 1985
4515367 Card shuffler having a random ejector May 7, 1985
4534562 Playing card coding system and apparatus for dealing coded cards Aug 13, 1985
4566782 Very high speed duplicator with finishing function using dual copy set transports Jan 28, 1986
4586712 Automatic shuffling apparatus May 6, 1986
4659082 Monte verde playing card dispenser Apr 21, 1987
4667959 Apparatus for storing and selecting cards May 26, 1987
4741524 Sorting apparatus May 3, 1988
4750743 Playing card dispenser Jun 14, 1988
4770421 Card shuffler Sep 13, 1988
4807884 Card shuffling device Feb 28, 1989
4822050 Device for reading and distributing cards, in particular playing cards Apr 18, 1989
4832342 Computerized card shuffling machine May 23, 1989
4900009 Sorter Feb 13, 1990
4951950 Manual playing card dealing appliance for the production of programmed deals Aug 28, 1990
4969648 Apparatus and method for automatically shuffling cards Nov 13, 1990
5000453 Method and apparatus for automatically shuffling and cutting cards and conveying shuffled cards to a card dispensing shoe while permitting the simultaneous performance of the card dispensing operation Mar 19, 1991
5067713 Coded playing cards and apparatus for dealing a set of cards Nov 26, 1991
5121921 Card dealing and sorting apparatus and method Jun 16, 1992
5199710 Method and apparatus for supplying playing cards at random to the casino table Apr 6, 1993
5240140 Card dispenser Aug 31, 1993
5261667 Random cut apparatus for card shuffling machine Nov 16, 1993
5275411 Pai gow poker machine Jan 4, 1994
5288081 Method of playing a wagering game Feb 22, 1994
5303921 Jammed shuffle detector Apr 19, 1994
5356145 Card shuffler Oct 18, 1994
5374061 Card dispensing shoe having a counting device and method of using the same Dec 20, 1994
5382024 Playing card shuffler and dispenser Jan 17, 1995
5382025 Method for playing a poker game Jan 17, 1995
5390910 Modular multifunctional mailbox unit with interchangeable sub-modules Feb 21, 1995
5431399 Card shuffling and dealing apparatus Jul 11, 1995
5437462 Wagering game Aug 1, 1995
5584483 Playing card shuffling machines and methods Dec 17, 1996
5586936 Automated gaming table tracking system and method therefor Dec 24, 1996
5605334 Secure multi-site progressive jackpot system for live card games Feb 25, 1997
5669816 Blackjack scanner apparatus and method Sep 23, 1997
5676372 Playing card shuffler Oct 14, 1997
5681039 Card reader for blackjack table Oct 28, 1997
5683085 Card handling apparatus Nov 4, 1997
5690324 Sorter for a stencil printer and paper transport speed control device for sorter Nov 25, 1997
5692748 Card shuffling device and method Dec 2, 1997
5695189 Apparatus and method for automatically cutting and shuffling playing cards Dec 9, 1997
5707287 Jackpot system for live card games based upon game play wagering and method therefore Jan 13, 1998
5718427 High-capacity automatic playing card shuffler Feb 17, 1998
5722893 Card dispensing shoe with scanner Mar 3, 1998
5772505 Dual card scanner apparatus and method Jun 30, 1998
5779546 Automated gaming system and method of automated gaming Jul 14, 1998
5803808 Card game hand counter/decision counter device Sep 8, 1998
5941769 Gaming equipment for professional use of table games with playing cards and gaming chips, in particular for the game of "black jack" Aug 24, 1999
5944310 Card handling apparatus Aug 31, 1999
5989122 Apparatus and process for verifying, sorting, and randomizing sets of playing cards and process for playing card games Nov 23, 1999
6019368 Playing card shuffler apparatus and method Feb 1, 2000
6039650 Card dispensing shoe with scanner apparatus, system and method therefor Mar 21, 2000
6068258 Method and apparatus for automatically cutting and shuffling playing cards May 30, 2000
6093103 Secure multi-site progressive jackpot system for live card games Jul 25, 2000
6117012 Jackpot system for live card games based upon game play wagering and method Sep 12, 2000
6126166 Card-recognition and gaming-control device Oct 3, 2000
6139014 Method and apparatus for automatically cutting and shuffling playing cards Oct 31, 2000
6149154 Device and method for forming hands of randomly arranged cards Nov 21, 2000
6165069 Automated system for playing live casino table games having tabletop changeable playing card displays and monitoring security features Dec 26, 2000
6165072 Apparatus and process for verifying honest gaming transactions over a communications network Dec 26, 2000
6217447 Method and system for generating displays in relation to the play of baccarat Apr 17, 2001
6250632 Automatic card sorter Jun 26, 2001
6254096 Device and method for continuously shuffling cards Jul 3, 2001
6254484 Secure multi-site progressive jackpot system for live card games Jul 3, 2001
6267248 Collating and sorting apparatus Jul 31, 2001
6270404 Automated system for playing live casino table games having tabletop changeable playing card displays and play monitoring security features Aug 7, 2001
6299536 Card dispensing shoe with scanner apparatus, system and method therefor Oct 9, 2001
6325373 Method and apparatus for automatically cutting and shuffling playing cards Dec 4, 2001
6346044 Jackpot system for live card games based upon game play wagering and method therefore Feb 12, 2002
6361044 Card dealer for a table game Mar 26, 2002
6403908 Automated method and apparatus for playing card sequencing, with optional defect detection Jun 11, 2002
6460848 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Oct 8, 2002
6517435 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Feb 11, 2003
6517436 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Feb 11, 2003
6520857 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Feb 18, 2003
6527271 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Mar 4, 2003
6530836 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Mar 11, 2003
6530837 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Mar 11, 2003
6533276 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Mar 18, 2003
6533662 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Mar 18, 2003
6579180 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Jun 17, 2003
6579181 Method and apparatus for monitoring casinos and gaming Jun 17, 2003
6659460 Card shuffling device

[Pierrot]

3716238 METHOD OF PREARRANGING PLAYING CARDS FOR EDUCATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES Feb 1973
4397469 Method of reducing predictability in card games Aug 9, 1983
4822050 Device for reading and distributing cards, in particular playing cards Apr 18, 1989
5374061 Card dispensing shoe having a counting device and method of using the same Dec 20, 1994
5669816 Blackjack scanner apparatus and method Sep 23, 1997
5676372 Playing card shuffler Oct 14, 1997
5681039 Card reader for blackjack table Oct 28, 1997
5683085 Card handling apparatus Nov 4, 1997
5722893 Card dispensing shoe with scanner Mar 3, 1998
5772505 Dual card scanner apparatus and method Jun 30, 1998
5803808 Card game hand counter/decision counter device Sep 8, 1998
6039650 Card dispensing shoe with scanner apparatus, system and method therefor Mar 21, 2000
6126166 Card-recognition and gaming-control device Oct 3, 2000
6139014 Method and apparatus for automatically cutting and shuffling playing cards Oct 31, 2000
6149154 Device and method for forming hands of randomly arranged cards Nov 21, 2000

Suspect pour moi....

[kbdjockey]

T'énerves pas pierrot, j'ai trouvé mieux

Card shuffler with card rank and value reading capability using CMOS sensor
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=b4qbAAAAEBAJ

La liste des brevets de ShuffleMaster, Inc ici:
http://www.google.com/patents?tbs=bks%3 ... &scoring=1

[Pierrot]

Card shuffler with card rank and value reading capability using CMOS sensor

Bah voilà : Nickel !

Super tes recherches

[kbdjockey]

Pas de soucis

[Jaja]

Ca c'est du lourd

[luc31]

Les gars, merci de bien vouloir expliquer clairement.
Un lecteur lambda ne va rien comprendre avec des commentaires tels que: Nickel, ça c'est du lourd, etc. En plus, on se prive des mots clefs lors du passage du "robot".

[Pierrot]

Tu comprends plus le langage de Djeun's Luc ? Zy-va c'est trop abusé j'hallucine grave brotha'......

Voilà pourquoi ces découvertes sont géniales :

Depuis des lustres, nous disions qu'il y avait un lecteur optique dans un CSM suite à ce post( non-aux-melangeurs-automatiques-aux-tables-blackjack-csm-triche-f35/csm-arnaque-t496-10.html#p5979 voir l'article en bas) mais nous n'avions que des "suppositions". Je crois que c'est assez clair :

4822050 Device for reading and distributing cards = Dispositif pour lire et distribuer les cartes
6126166 Card-recognition ... = Reconnaissance de cartes.

Et j'ai pas traduis les brevets incluant des scanners. . .

Non seulement le fait que le CSM reconnaisse les cartes n'est plus à prouver, mais c'est en plus breveté ! De là à dire qu'il puisse choisir la carte qu'il distribue, ou les arranger comme il l'entend, il n'y a qu'un pas que je franchie volontiers !. Alors, rien ne dit que c'est optique, c'est vrai, mais ceci...

Card shuffler with card rank and value reading capability using CMOS sensor= Mélangeur de cartes avec rang de carte (ou rack..?) et capacité de lecture de valeur utilisant un capteur CMOS

... pourrait s'apparenter à la même technologie utilisée par les appareils photos et les caméras HD... pour capter une image !